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Posted By: mauriziosquall Help guys - 10/31/09 09:21 AM
Hallo everyone! laugh
I'm a student living in Italy and i'm working on a project dealing with Idiomatic expressions (body- colour- life as a journey ecc..).
My aim is that of showing how many idiomatic expressions are used into tv-shows (such as heroes, dexter, griffin and so on), and what I'd like to know is if that is possible with Wordsmith to have a list of the most common ones in English (or American) for a faster and more accurate research.
I'm working with the subtitles files converted into .txt in order to have a bigger linguistic corpus.
I apoligize for any english mistakes!!
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 02:49 PM
I don't watch any of your proffered shows, but here's something to get you started: list of idioms
-joe (I may be an idiom) friday
Posted By: BranShea Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 03:40 PM
You might also try this. For a non native speaker this might be somewhat easier to understand. Just working by alphabeth letter is simpler than by working through categories.

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Posted By: tsuwm Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 04:07 PM
? the wiki list is also alphabetized..
Posted By: BranShea Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 04:16 PM
That wiki page contains one strange error, so maybe more.
A little bird told me Look into the etymology of this expression:

"Er lif t'el baerd " (?) This can't be true. Click the word and see the warning. Has this ever been a Dutch expression? Dutch Google search brings up nothing at all.
Posted By: LukeJavan8 Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 04:34 PM
You're not questioning the reliability of Wiki, are you?
Posted By: BranShea Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 04:58 PM
I wouldn't dare. I just came onto something weird.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Help guys - 10/31/09 05:05 PM
You're not questioning the reliability of Wiki, are you?

The veracity of Wikipedia and other encyclopedias aside, I find it interesting how the word wiki has been genericized from its meaning as a kind of web application to come to mean a particular wiki that uses that software to publish an online encyclopedia. The first instance of wiki as software was on the c2.com website. It is not an encyclopedia, it is the Portland (Oregon) Patterns Repository (link). I am not complaining about this usage, as it is perfectly normal example of semantic drift and it causes no confusion for me, but thought you'd like to know. (In its way it is similar to calling any dictionary a Websters.)
Posted By: mauriziosquall Re: Help guys - 11/01/09 09:02 AM
Ok guys!! I've just checked the glossary provided by Wiki. This is going to help me! I have just to copy those expressions into a txt file and put it into wordsmith.
By the way, do you know if there are other (good and professional) sites where i can get othere idioms?
Guys I thank you, you've been nice to me! And this site is wonderful, a great source of information for linguistics! You guys are great!!
Posted By: olly Re: Help guys - 11/01/09 08:04 PM
it is perfectly normal example of semantic drift

Yes, and prior to your examples an even larger change from Wiki meaning fast to Wiki meaning, as you say, a kind of web application.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Help guys - 11/01/09 11:41 PM
an even larger change from Wiki meaning fast to Wiki meaning, as you say, a kind of web application.

Yes, though, the reason they called it wiki, besides the alliteration with web was because of the quick-turn-around in letting everybody edit the web pages; and, Cunningham saw Wiki wiki on the sides of shuttle buses at the Honolulu Airport. So that meaning is interposed between fast and the kind of web application.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Help guys - 11/02/09 02:09 AM
Thing I like about the word wiki is that there's a faux etymology running around that it's pidgin from the English 'quick'. Then there's the Tahitian(?) viti which has it's own faux etymology that that it's pidgin from the French 'vite'. Only thing, wiki and viti are cognates.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Help guys - 11/02/09 05:47 AM
Only thing, wiki and viti are cognates.

Priceless.
Posted By: olly Re: Help guys - 11/02/09 07:58 PM
Then there's the Tahitian(?) viti

Yes it is Tahitian.
Posted By: latishya Re: Help guys - 11/02/09 08:16 PM
Originally Posted By: olly
Then there's the Tahitian(?) viti

Yes it is Tahitian.


I have heard of a writer from New Zealand called Witi Ihimaera. Is his name a cognate also?
Posted By: olly Re: Help guys - 11/03/09 03:23 AM
Is his name a cognate also?

I couldn't answer that knowingly but would hazard a guess and say no. You should read some of his works.
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