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Posted By: balspindie 'sound' words - 09/05/07 02:09 PM
A friend recently asked me: 'What do you call an arbitrary word / sound that replaces another word / concept (thingamajig, watchamacallit and gizmo, or words found often in pop songs, 'my ding-a-ling, my ding-a-ling, I want you to play with my ding-a-ling', or words like bling)'

I am unable to answer him - any help? I am not certain that the examples he gives all fall within the same category, but a lead on this would be gratefully received.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 02:56 PM
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/slang

It's tedious and not always helpful, but you might try OneLook Reverse Dictionary, eg:

http://onelook.com/?w=*%3Ajargon+slang&ls=a

http://onelook.com/?w=*&loc=revfp2&clue=word+sounds
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 03:38 PM
These may be too specific, but all I can come with are patter and doo-wop.
Posted By: balspindie Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 04:09 PM
Thanks - what he is looking for is the definition of such words - what does one call this category of words, technically? They are not Onomatopoeic - what are they?
Posted By: Myridon Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 04:10 PM
In the song, the ding-a-ling is (supposedly) a bell, so that's an onomatopoeia since bells make that sound (the euphemistic meaning in the song is something that dangles like a bell). Bling (shortened from bling-bling) is also more or less an onomatopoeia - the cartoon sound of light glistening off gold/gems or the sound of lots of jewelery clinking together.

thingamajig, watchamacallit, gizmo, etc. are often called placeholder names. A rather extensive list in multiple languages can be found here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placeholder_name

Some doo-wop lyrics can be placeholders (Who put the bomp in the bomp-shu-bomp-shu-bomp?) because they are taking the place of other words, but some are merely exclamations or a possibly form of scatting (Be-bomp-a-loo-bop, a-whamp-bam-boom) or maybe early beatboxing.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 05:33 PM
and jazz vocalists "scat".

perhaps vocalese?
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 07:52 PM
Rut-roh, Myridon, I think you just got mantled.
Posted By: Myridon Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 08:04 PM
Vocalese is somewhat the opposite - putting lyrics to an instrumental piece.
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Why did Ludwig write this silly tune?
It wasn't free.
That's for sure.
The money, all in cash,
Came from Elise.
Thus it was she
He wrote it Für.
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 08:21 PM
good point, Myr.
Posted By: Faldage Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 11:30 PM
A bell? I don't think so.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 11:45 PM
placeholder names

I would've called them metasyntactic variables (e.g., foo, bar, baz, and quux) from the term in computer science, but placeholder name works fine for me.
Posted By: Zed Re: 'sound' words - 09/05/07 11:45 PM
honi soit qui mal y pense
o (halo)
Posted By: Myridon Re: 'sound' words - 09/06/07 04:11 PM
"(supposedly)". I also know a Friendly Little Cat. Or perhaps you'd like a second-hand chair...

If I can't sell it, I'm gonna sit down on it.
I ain't gonna give it away.
Now darling if you want it, you're gonna have to buy it.
And I mean just what I say.
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