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Posted By: dalehileman bardcore - 11/03/06 02:24 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bardcore

Of course UD will accept anything from anybody, though you often have to give them credit for being first to lodge a neologism

My question is this: If you were compiling a dictionary, what criterion would you use in deciding whether a term is widespread enough to list. For instance, would you agree w UD's 2d def

You can't list them all because your dictionary would constitute 38 volumes. While ~ gets 28,000 Ghits, I had never even heard it. Had you
Posted By: tsuwm Re: bardcore - 11/03/06 02:49 PM
daleh, the criteria I first used for the online wwftd dictionary was verifying a word in two qualified sources; and by qualified I mean something found on my bricks and boards reference bookshelf, or the online equivalent thereof (e.g., OneLook, World Wide Words, Merriam-Webster Unabr. online, OED2 online, etc.).

I have expanded this criteria only slightly to include words found in online usage via Google News or Google Books.

Exceptions to the above are per Editor's Whim.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: bardcore - 11/03/06 03:39 PM
Tsu thank you for that excellent rundown. If it's no trouble could you provide a link to WWW


But concerning OED online, I'm led to believe their selection is very limited. Nonetheless thank you again and your reply is exactly the kind of thing I was soliciting. First thing this a.m. I intend to generate a Google dropdown using these sources so I can hit them with a single click

Incidentally might you know how to specify more than one url in Advance Search's Page-Specific Link so as to avoid the need for repeated searches
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: bardcore - 11/03/06 04:52 PM
Daleh, the link to wwftd is on tsuwm's profile page:

http://home.comcast.net/~wwftd/

note to the World At Large: wwftd moved to a new ISP today so don't forget to change your bookmark (aka favorite).
Posted By: tsuwm Re: bardcore - 11/03/06 05:02 PM
>But concerning OED online, I'm led to believe their selection is very limited.

what do you mean by this??

more than the 20-volume hard copy is on line, which is to say they're in the process of updating online -- the only limitation is that it's difficult to browse.

perhaps you mean that subscriptions cost; but free access is available through many libraries.

have you seen our own maxq's Where can I look it up? (he lists WWW under QUINION.)

edit: thanx for the note, ASp.
Posted By: musick hardcore - 11/03/06 06:06 PM
As long as you're at it AnnaS, you may wish to repair that link as it has an extra "http://" in it.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: hardcore - 11/03/06 06:24 PM
tsu: There is an curtailed offshoot of OED online; this is what I had reference to. Living on a fixed income I can't afford subscriptions, but if you can get me one free I'd be eternally indebted

Thank you for the "Where" link

Mus: I see only one http, but if you got two maybe Anna edited out the extra one. It used to be, incidentally, you couldn't use a link without first deleting the http, but I think they may have changed that because lately I have had much success leaving it there



Edited to remark that Anna's link didn't work for me either. Perhaps I was wrong and owing to some obscure Gates loop you still have to delete it in some applications but not others though I tried it without the http, and that didn't work either

In any case, has anyone heard of bardcore and do you agree with UD
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: too many https - 11/03/06 06:38 PM
Thanks, Muse! Didn't even know it was there till you outpointed and I experimentally clicked.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: hardcore - 11/03/06 09:09 PM
Quote:

tsu: There is an curtailed offshoot of OED online; this is what I had reference to. Living on a fixed income I can't afford subscriptions, but if you can get me one free I'd be eternally indebted

In any case, has anyone heard of bardcore and do you agree with UD




dale, ask at your local library(s) if they have an OED subscription -- if so, they can tell you how to set up a proxy.

as to doing multiple searches in one blow, I don't think there's a way to do what you want. but you might find dogpile.com to be useful.

bardcore is a silly word that seems to be of very limited utility.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: hardcore - 11/03/06 09:20 PM
tsu: I will remember that for my next library visit. I think the last one was about 6 mo ago

Thank you for that link

I agree totally w your closing remark but wonder how can one account for 28k Ghits
Posted By: TEd Remington Re: hardcore - 11/03/06 09:30 PM
Dale:

You are quick to point out how many ghits there are for your pet word of the minute. Didst ever occur to you to look at the listings to find out WHY there are so many hits?

Had you done so in this case you would have discovered that bardcore is only used in its original meaning in the first two or three listings. All of the rest are adult sites which have all different manner of spellings of things like porn (pron, ponr, pnor, etc) and hardcore (hadrcore, hordcare, bardcare, dardcare, fardcare, etc.) so that the illiterates who are out there looking to waste their money on sexual images can find something when they inevitably misspell what they are looking for.

I have seen this myopia before in your questions about words; you frequently point out that such and such has 28K Ghits or 40K Ghits and wonder whether it's a real word. Please, in the future, try taking a look for yourself rather than just asking us to do your darned research for you.

It is, frankly, getting a tad tiresome.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: library - 11/03/06 09:34 PM
Quote:

I will remember that for my next library visit. I think the last one was about 6 mo ago





You don't need to go there. Access the library's website, and if that doesn't work for you, call them on the phone...
Posted By: tsuwm Re: library - 11/03/06 10:46 PM
brilliant, ASp!

as an example, the website for the MPL has this path:
Research Tools :: Online Databases :: General Reference :: OED
Posted By: dalehileman Re: library - 11/03/06 11:10 PM
Anna: When I clicked on your wwftd link a few hours later it worked fine. It must have contracted a temporary Gates loop. Thank you for that, I have ensconced it amongst my Faves

Ted: I apologize profusely if the depth of my research doen't meet your criteria for authenticity. However, Googling "bardcore shakespeare" yields some six hundred hits, suggesting that the UD defs may have some validity. But if my threads upset your sensibilities you're cordially invited not to read them
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: urbane dictionary... - 11/04/06 01:25 PM
> However, Googling "bardcore shakespeare" yields some six hundred hits, suggesting that the UD defs may have some validity

including probably, this thread....

people have used the phrase. will it last? that remains to be seen. the UD is nearly instant. people (and I would guess that the user/writer base is not that large) like to think they're first, and clever, so they pen their definition, and post it. voila! spwonky! I've invented a new word!

of course the UD defs have some validity. people wrote them. but most of them aren't going to be around, not even in the virtual tomorrow.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: oppidian wordhoards - 11/04/06 01:30 PM
Such bardcore bardolatry.
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: library - 11/04/06 02:26 PM
Quote:

Anna: When I clicked on your wwftd link a few hours later it worked fine. It must have contracted a temporary Gates loop. Thank you for that, I have ensconced it amongst my Faves




Yes, because after musick pointed it out, I went back and fixed it, as I said in a previous post. You'd do well to read before you post. You are trying my patience, and not just mine.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: library - 11/04/06 03:45 PM
eta: You are absolutely right about that in every respect.
Neos like ABSOLUDICROUS, AMN’T, BABELICIOUS, BEFUCKLEMENT, BANALYSIS, CHATTERFUGE, DREADLINE, etc get tens if not hundreds of thousands of hits; yet I don't accord them the chance of a Christian snowman in Baghdad. Still they're the sort that turn up first at UD. Thus at only about 600 significant hit, I don't have much hope for "bardcore" either


Incidentally, UD fielded "velocitize" this morning, one I had actually heard before and so it might catch on

Anna: Please accept my most abject apologies for misunderstanding "...till you outpointed and I experimentally clicked", which owing to my unfamiliarity with PC terms I had interpreted to mean, "I became immediately aware of your predicament when you experimentally steered your sailboat into the wind." Had you instead written, "You were right about the url and so I edited my followup accordingly, deleting the extraneous http," then at once I would have understood

But, golly, if you are unhinged my my occasional gaffes, please don't feel obligated to read or respond to my threads
Posted By: dalehileman Re: library - 11/04/06 04:23 PM
For instance, an Advanced Archive Search with Timeline yields only one significant "bardcore," in 2001; whereas "velocitized" gives a half-dozen going back to the '50's. If you'd like to try it out:

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&tab=wn&q=

Although you should be warned about this algorithm (help!) I was appalled to find tht "velocitize" didn't yield the same hits as "velocitized." I had thought better of Google
Posted By: tsuwm Re: library - 11/04/06 04:34 PM
regarding google search: stemming technology is fairly new to Google (i.e., until recently it wasn't supported at all). perhaps they haven't got all the "features" worked out.

-ron (there's always six bugs in any software program) obvious
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