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Posted By: dalehileman satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 12:38 AM
I did sheets of acid and listened to ~ as a kid--Dave Grohl--quoted by Solvej Schou

A distinct genre, or simply music of the Heavy-Metal style but played in an aggressive or hellacious way? That the name of the group wasn't capitalized in the AP story suggests that the expression may refer to a generic mode of presentation and hence it qualifies as a genuine neologism
Posted By: sjmaxq Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 12:45 AM
The phrase was used extensively here in Zild recently, when it became public knowledge that a police officer fronted such a band in his off-duty hours. The band's neo-nazi iconography and hate-filled lyrics apparently caused some concern, despite the officer's repeated insistence that what he chose to sign about after work had absolutely no impact on his performance at work.
Posted By: TEd Remington what he chose to sign about after work - 12/03/05 03:54 AM
Wow. Music for deaf people. What'll those Zildians think if next?
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 05:20 AM
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I did sheets of acid and listened to ~ as a kid--Dave Grohl--quoted by Solvej Schou

A distinct genre, or simply music of the Heavy-Metal style but played in an aggressive or hellacious way? That the name of the group wasn't capitalized in the AP story suggests that the expression may refer to a generic mode of presentation and hence it qualifies as a genuine neologism




"Heavy metal" -- like a number of other pop culture terms, song lyrics and band names --was taken from the writings of the only figure in (actually, on the periphery of) the American "Beat Generation" who deserves to be taken seriously: William S. Burroughs.

He used it in an entirely different context :

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"With their diseases and orgasm drugs and their sexless parasite life forms - Heavy Metal People of Uranus wrapped in cool blue mist of vaporized bank notes - And the Insect People of Minraud with metal music"

Burroughs, William S, (1964). Nova Express. New York: Grove Press. p. 112




Wiki provides a comprehensive list of subgenres here, without mention of "Satanic Death Metal."

I've always thought of Death Metal to be Heavy Metal plus (usually rather risible) Satanic pretensions, the obligatory "Cookie Monster™ " vocals [1] and silly as you please band names like Rotting Christ.

However, according to Wiki, the Satanic subgenre of Heavy Metal is Black Metal

[1] quod vide Sesame St
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 05:26 AM
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I did sheets of acid and listened to ~ as a kid--Dave Grohl--quoted by Solvej Schou

A distinct genre, or simply music of the Heavy-Metal style but played in an aggressive or hellacious way? That the name of the group wasn't capitalized in the AP story suggests that the expression may refer to a generic mode of presentation and hence it qualifies as a genuine neologism




What AP story? Can you give us a link?
Posted By: tsuwm Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 05:44 AM
here's a link.

as you can see, he just uses it as a generic term. the phrase generates 560 ghits; many seem to be passing moral judgement (for or against) and not trying to fit it into a 'musical' niche.

>Wiki provides a comprehensive list of subgenres here, without mention of "Satanic Death Metal."

how did we get from the original 'satanic heavy metal' to 'satanic death metal'? kind of loosey-goosey compared to all of those other wiki-specifics.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 06:23 AM
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how did we get from the original 'satanic heavy metal' to 'satanic death metal'? kind of loosey-goosey compared to all of those other wiki-specifics.




No, that's my terminological inexactitude. The sentence :

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Wiki provides a comprehensive list of subgenres here, without mention of "Satanic Death Metal."




should read :

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Wiki provides a comprehensive list of subgenres here, without mention of "Satanic Heavy Metal."




Yours, with apologies,
Loosey-Goosey
Posted By: Faldage Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 01:16 PM
Might I suggest that "satanic" is simply an editorial adjective, used to indicate the speakers opinion on the origins or tendencies of the heavy metal genre?
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 03:27 PM
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Might I suggest that "satanic" is simply an editorial adjective, used to indicate the speakers opinion on the origins or tendencies of the heavy metal genre?




Of course! But what else is a Wordsmith Talk forum for if not hair-splitting about word choice? "Satanic Heavy Metal" is to "Black Metal" what "frozen water" is to "ice" as I am almost certain the members of Rotting Christ would politely concur.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 05:26 PM
Anna: Syndicated item circa Sept 17, entitled "Foo Fighters--ready to rock--softly as well"

With that and the AP writer's name,I bet you can find it easy

Fal: So far it sure looks that way; and thanks to all
Posted By: tsuwm Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 05:29 PM
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Anna: Syndicated item circa Sept 17, entitled "Foo Fighters--ready to rock--softly as well"

With that and the AP writer's name,I bet you can find it easy




well, it was; and what am I, chopped liver?!
-joe (mickey) bfstplk
Posted By: WhitmanO'Neill Re: The Beats - 12/03/05 08:25 PM
was taken from the writings of the only figure in (actually, on the periphery of) the American "Beat Generation" who deserves to be taken seriously: William S. Burroughs.


I also happen to admire the work of Jack Kerouac, poet Lawrence Ferlinghetti, and a few others who usually fall into the Beat Writers niche, and, along with Burroughs, would certainly consider their work worthy of being taken seriously...IMHO, of course.
Posted By: inselpeter Re: satanic heavy metal - 12/03/05 10:35 PM
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Anna: Syndicated item circa Sept 17, entitled "Foo Fighters--ready to rock--softly as well"

With that and the AP writer's name,I bet you can find it easy




well, it was; and what am I, chopped liver?!
-joe (mickey) bfstplk




Well, yeah, but good for the heart.
Posted By: wow Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/04/05 03:40 PM
the only figure in ... the American "Beat Generation" who deserves to be taken seriously: William S. Burroughs. Hey! Wait a sec! I've got to praise Jack K. If for no other reason than he is a fellow Lowellian! You did note "(actually, on the periphery of)" so I guess you were talking about a wide slice of the genre and not the basic Beat.
Posted By: inselpeter Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/04/05 07:05 PM
A young woman read me some Ginsburg once. I've got to say, I got a bang out of it.
Posted By: TEd Remington Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/04/05 07:40 PM
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A young woman read me some Ginsburg once. I've got to say, I got a bang out of it.




Posted By: consuelo Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/04/05 07:59 PM
Was it a big bang? or was a tiny whimper involved? No, wait. That would be T S Eliot, not in the Beat category...
Posted By: Faldage Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/05/05 12:24 AM
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A young woman read me some Ginsburg once. I've got to say, I got a bang out of it.




Another example of a good pun. Note how two separate meanings are applicable. It wasn't just some word tossed in that kinda sounds like another word maybe chosen for its membership in some sort of theme.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/05/05 12:40 AM
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Hey! Wait a sec! I've got to praise Jack K. If for no other reason than he is a fellow Lowellian! You did note "(actually, on the periphery of)" so I guess you were talking about a wide slice of the genre and not the basic Beat.




"On the Road" was written in virtually one sitting on a tele-type paper roll and, well, it shows. As Truman Capote said, "that's not writing. That's typing."

Still, I agree the Beat's wer interesting personalities, who played an important role in the American post-war cultural milieu.
Posted By: wow Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/05/05 05:48 PM
As Truman Capote said, "that's not writing. That's typing."
Ooops, wrong writer there kiddo!
Capote said that about Jacqueline Sussann's book "Valley of the Dolls" which then went on to top the N.Y.Times best seller list for months. Some typing!
Posted By: Faldage Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/05/05 11:26 PM
Then there was the time that the Mozarts were visiting a count and discovered that they had been expected to bring a piece by the young Wolfie as a house gift. He wrote it right there in the mud room and he didn't even have the luxury of rolls of teletype paper.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/06/05 03:50 AM
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As Truman Capote said, "that's not writing. That's typing." Ooops, wrong writer there kiddo! Capote said that about Jacqueline Sussann's book "Valley of the Dolls" which then went on to top the N.Y.Times best seller list for months. Some typing!




Stet : You have incorrected me.

I remember being told this by my academic mentor when I was writing my undergraduate dissertation on the Beat Generation.

And now a Google search using the keywords "Capote" ; "writing" and "typing" proves that she was right.

It is mentioned here, in the New York Times.
Posted By: Homo Loquens Re:Beat writers : hey! hey! - 12/06/05 03:54 AM
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Then there was the time that the Mozarts were visiting a count and discovered that they had been expected to bring a piece by the young Wolfie as a house gift. He wrote it right there in the mud room and he didn't even have the luxury of rolls of teletype paper.




The original On The Road teletype manuscript can be seen here, if anyone is interested.
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