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Posted By: garynamy another Tolkien word..."swart" - 02/28/01 12:13 PM
Another item from the mind of Professor Tolkien. He describes the Orcs as "swart." Not wanting to waste the time of this good group, and I went and looked up the word, which I find is basically a synonym for "swarthy" or "tawny," and the citations I have found are pretty old, say, Elizabethan days.

Has anyone seen this word in contemporary use? Are there negative racial connotations? Just asking...

Posted By: NicholasW Re: another Tolkien word..."swart" - 02/28/01 01:19 PM
Even the modern form 'swarthy' is so dated as to be virtually obsolete. Tolkien would have taken it straight from Middle English; that is, he wouldn't have needed recent use to justify his own use.

In Old Norse, the dark elves are called svart-alfar. He might have meant precisely this.

Posted By: of troy Re: another Tolkien word..."swart" - 02/28/01 06:54 PM
>>>Even the modern form 'swarthy' is so dated as to be virtually obsolete.

Not on this side of the pond-- I would use it to describe someone with dark (but not a black/negro) skin, particulary if they had a "5 o'clock shadow"-- that is they needed a shave.

Cop shows use it and news announcers use it--

Posted By: Max Quordlepleen Re: another Tolkien word..."swart" - 02/28/01 07:01 PM
In Old Norse, the dark elves are called svart-alfar. He might have meant precisely this.

This may be a yart, but I think that seems very likely, given that Tolkien belonged to a social club whose weekly meetings were conducted exclusively in Old Norse, or so I read in a biography of him.

Posted By: Fiberbabe Re: another Tolkien word..."swart" - 02/28/01 07:06 PM
>Tolkien belonged to a social club whose weekly meetings were conducted exclusively in Old Norse...

Well, that would certainly explain a lot...

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