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Posted By: wwh more earls - 01/09/04 07:53 PM
I searched for "eponyms earls" and found two more:
"Familiar eponyms include braille (Louis Braille), sadism (the Marquis de Sade), mesmerise (F. A. Mesmer), cardigan (7th Earl of Cardigan), and sandwich (4th Earl of Sandwich). Just think — had the interests of the two Earls been transposed, we would probably now be wearing nice woollen sandwiches and eating toasted cardigans. "

I always preferred cardigan sweathers. Easier to put on, and
warmth adjustable.

Posted By: shanks Re: more earls - 01/13/04 06:55 PM
Purely personal note - I detest cardigans, and purely because of the way they look. I, therefore, deplore the trend of the last 10 years or so for young women to wear cardigans. But they just don't listen to me...



Posted By: wwh Re: more earls - 01/13/04 06:57 PM
It used to be said girls had two good reasons for wearing a
sweater. Not with a cardigan.

Posted By: Faldage Re: more earls - 01/13/04 06:59 PM
they just don't listen to me

Or perhaps they *do listen to you and that's why they wear cardigans.

Posted By: gift horse Re: more earls - 01/14/04 03:05 PM
I detest cardigans...

Perhaps you haven't seen the right girl in the right cardigan.

http://sarah.suso.org/pix/cardigan.jpg

Now why do I imagine this won't change your mind?


Posted By: wwh Re: more earls - 01/14/04 04:41 PM
That's clever cleavage.

Posted By: of troy Re: more earls - 01/14/04 06:13 PM
combining sweaters with earl, we are not limited to cardigan.. there is also raglan-- in fact one can have a raglan cardigan...

raglan(in sweaters) referes to sleeves that start at neck egde, and come down diagonally across shoulder to the underarm)--there is a raglan castle in wales.. (i am guessing there is an earl to go with the castle)

Posted By: wwh Re: more earls - 01/14/04 06:24 PM
Fitzroy James Henry Somerset, 1st Baron Raglan
His bio is impressive - right hand man to Duke of Wellington.
I didn't find any reference to support his entitlement
to sartorial eponymry.

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Surf's up, dude - 01/14/04 06:39 PM
Sorry, but every time I see Raglan, I think of my ancestral home, the little town on the North Island's West Coast where my family settled after leaving the nascent Pakistan. Raglan was a poky little town in my youth, with nothing going for it if one was not a surfer. Now, it's a trendy little cafe spot, with nothing much going for it if one is not a surfer.

Posted By: jheem Raggy - 01/14/04 07:15 PM
Fitzroy James Henry Somerset, 1st Baron Raglan

Raglan lost his right arm at Waterloo, married Wellington's niece, and was in charge of the British troops in the Crimea during the war of the same name. His orders to the Light Brigade, commanded by the Earl of Cardigan, lead to the infamous charge and later a poem by Tennyson. "Into the valley of death ..." and all that. It also caused Pierre Bosquet, an observing French general, to remark: "C'est magnifique, mais c'est ne pas la guerre." I'm not sure if Bosquet was wearing a pullover or not.

Posted By: jheem early and rooked - 01/14/04 07:22 PM
i am guessing there is an earl to go with the castle

Not necessarily. Earls, called counts on the continent, may have castles, but not all castles have earls. Baronets, barons, viscount, earls, dukes, princes, and kings can have castles, too. The wife of an earl is called a countess (viz. Ada Countess Lovelace), while in Scotland earls are called thanes (thegns). Earls are also associated with shires, called counties. Burke's Peerage is a goodly resource: http://www.burkes-peerage.net/ .


Posted By: Faldage Re: more earls - 01/14/04 07:27 PM
any reference to support his entitlement
to sartorial eponymry.


According to AHD4 that's the very who that it was:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/17/R0021700.html

Posted By: gift horse Re: Raggy - 01/14/04 10:45 PM
Raglan lost his right arm at Waterloo...

Well, that would save on yarn. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)

Posted By: gift horse Re: more earls - 01/14/04 10:47 PM
That's clever cleavage.

Yes, she holds her card close to her chest.

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Raggy - 01/14/04 10:48 PM
In reply to:

Raglan lost his right arm at Waterloo...

Well, that would save on yarn. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-)


Well, your comment reminded me of a joke about thalidomide, but this time, I shall resist. Any who wish can simply google "thalidomide knitting"

Posted By: maverick Re: castellating earls before swine ;) - 01/14/04 11:11 PM
> there is a raglan castle in wales

Funnily enough I sent a response to Anu t'other day on this topic - don't think I kept a copy, so unless he includes it in the next mailout, the immortal nuggets may be lost for all time. all together, now: oohhhhwwwwwwww! ;)

Posted By: jheem Re: Raggy - 01/14/04 11:19 PM
thalidomide from (ph)thalic (acid) from naphthalic acid from Greek naphtha 'liquid bitumen' from Semitic npt. Talk about beheading words. From the A-H.

Posted By: wwh Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 12:18 AM
Thalidomide was not a bit humorous. Thank goodness our FDA
had a lady doctor with balls enough to keep it out of US.
http://www.adrugrecall.com/thalidomide/thalidomide.html

Posted By: sjmaxq Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 01:06 AM
Actually, Dr. Bill, thalidomide is proving to be a real boon to many, now that its danger to pregnant women is well-known. It is being used to treat leprosy, among other things, I believe.

Posted By: wwh Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 02:17 AM
Dear Max: to be sure thalidomide has some legitimate uses.
But if it had been put on market over the counter in US forty years ago, there might have been a hundred thousand deformed kids.

Posted By: Bingley Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 04:44 AM
Bill, perhaps you could rephrase that to: there might have been a hundred thousand more deformed kids.


Bingley
Posted By: maverick Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 11:58 AM
Bingley, perhaps you could rephrase that to: there might have been an additional hundred thousand deformed kids.


[/NP] :)


Posted By: Bingley Re: Raggy - 01/15/04 01:20 PM
Hmmm, yes, I see what you mean. OK, amendment accepted.

Bingley
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