A gudgeon is also linked to another unusual word, 'pintle', to make the fitting for a rudder on the transom of a boat. There are usually 2 of each & the pintles are upwards-pointing spikes on the boat with the gudgeons being rings on the detachable rudder which engage the pintles to secure the rudder to the stern. Isn't nautical language fascinating?

My grandfather used to use the terms 'pintle' and 'gudgeon' when 'fixing' things on his boat.
I never knew what he was talking about. Nice memory.
Welcome ianhutch, it's good to have new folks aboard, makes for more interesting discussion.

When they believe everything the news media say, I could
not agree more, especially local media, with their
comments, like, 'seen and heard exclusively here..."

Well if your mass media is anything like ours, the opposite is usually true - the further away from the events the media outlet is, the further from the truth the story goes. From local to regional to state to national to international, each level adds its own embellishments until the 'Chinese whispers' syndrome sets in.

Well, it is EXCLUSIVE when you are the one who made it up!!!

Usually he shouted these terms right after scarping his knuckles!!!


Gudgeon sounds like an expletive from some other language.

Is gudgeon related to a curmudgeon?

Gudgeon is what you leave in high.

With our media both are true, close or far away, at least where I live.
They pick and choose what to report, leaving out truth, giving half-truths
ruining people's reputations all in the guise of American First Amendment
rights, even slander and libel.

Curmudgeon: a miser, or a (frequently old) person full of
stubborn ideas or opinions.
Gudgeon: l) small fish, 2)a gullible person 3)a bait, 4)pivot
on which a wheel or something similar turns.

(Curmudgeon, thanks to Wiktionary)

Those who trace words back to Indo-European, frequently found
on this site, and not to insult any, but back even further to
the gibber-speak in the Lascaux caves, would probably find some
connection.

Welcome BilSid, and don't be a stranger. It is good to have
new voices on the site. There are tons of old names listed
but they quit visiting, I guess, or at least no longer contribute and reading some of their comments, they had a lot
of knowledgable info to contribute. Sad.

Those who trace words back to Indo-European, frequently found
on this site, and not to insult any, but back even further to
the gibber-speak in the Lascaux caves, would probably find some
connection.

Well, gudgeon is tracked back (via Old French) to Late Latin gubia, but curmudgeon is of unknown origin (a bane to all would-be lexicographers). I very much doubt that whatever the humans, who painted the Lascaux caves, spoke that it can be recovered or even related to PIE.

Well... yes. I knew the definitions; that's why I was wondering if there was some root connection. I guess I wasn't clear in my original question. Thanks!

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Which of course is exactly the point: it is Made UpWith their ability
to cut and paste an event to truth is lost.

In rural Australia a gudgeon is the bottom sticking up pin thing that a gate hangs on. It comes out from the post then goes up at a right angle, and the piece of pipe welded to the side of the gate nearest the post slips over it.

See Gate Hinges and Gudgeons in this product guide for example.

Interesting link, thanks.