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Posted By: Mananan1 This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 02:20 PM
Two overused and denatured substitutes that I would like to see consigned to the proverbial dust-bin (we in the USA would say "trashcan")of history are "awesome" (a once valuable descriptor of such things as a waterfall, a volcanic eruption, the power of a storm, but now generally used by pre-teenagers to describe a video or a pair of shoes) and "cool" (in its latter day and debsaed form, generally pronounce almost like "cawl" and frequently used to describe accumulated or desired consumer goods, rather than the jazz musician mystique it once had).
Posted By: Davey Re: This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 02:37 PM
I regret that I am unable to cite the source of the following:
Mother: "Dear, there are two words I'd like you to stop using. One is "awesome" and the other is "cool."
Daughter: "OK, Mom. What are the words?"
Posted By: tsuwm Re: This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 02:48 PM
from a list of Jewish Jokes:
(#446) Advice
Morris says to his teenage daughter “There are two words I’d like you to drop from your vocabulary.
One is ‘awesome’ and the other is ‘gross’.”
“Okay,” she replies, “what are they?”
Posted By: Davey Re: This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 02:49 PM
As a tutor, I read and revise essays by post-secondary students. I attempt to wean my clients away from use of the word "very" by pointing out that use of "very" may be seen as a sign of a limited vocabulary and as indicating a lazy approach to essay writing. I suggest they substitute more sophisticated intensifiers such as "extremely" or "immensely."
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: jokes - 04/07/08 02:58 PM
what are they?

I first heard this roughly half a century ago on an episode of I Love Lucy where the words were swell and lousy. I'm sure it's recorded somewhere in the Mahabharata, if not the Rig Veda.
 Originally Posted By: Davey
I suggest they substitute more sophisticated intensifiers such as "extremely" or "immensely."

That's extremely awesome advice, except... Enormously many people use gargantuanly many "very"s because they tend to over-emphasize humongously much or tremendously exaggerate which this advice will increase a gigantically titanic deal. ;-)
Posted By: tsuwm Re: This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 05:22 PM
the road to hell is paved with very many prodigiously bad adverbs, muttered Tom gracelessly.

-joe (thanks for the marmosets) friday
bad adverbs

There are no bad adverbs, just badly managed ones.

―beppo (lexeme monger) von und zu schönleinen
dude.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: This week's topic (subsitutes for "good") - 04/07/08 06:52 PM
 Originally Posted By: etaoin
dude.


speaking of bad commercials..
Do you let so go?
Posted By: latishya Re: jokes - 04/07/08 10:42 PM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
what are they?

I first heard this roughly half a century ago on an episode of I Love Lucy where the words were swell and lousy. I'm sure it's recorded somewhere in the Mahabharata, if not the Rig Veda.


If the way modern Hindi uses ठीक and अच्छा is any guide, you're probably right. \:\)
Posted By: Faldage Re: jokes - 04/07/08 11:59 PM
And once these two words (take your pick) are gone, they will be replaced by two more for y'all peevologists to complain about.
Posted By: CRBW Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/08/08 05:25 AM
When sales clerks or supermarket checkers ask me how I am, I generally say "vibrant," and sometimes also "radiant." They typically pay no notice, of course, even though these descriptors might seem out of character for a 70-year-old man. I've tried using "ebullient" too, which just brings blank stares. I have yet to try the military version, "e-f***in'-bullient," but I have my doubts if that would do any better.
Posted By: The Pook Re: jokes - 04/08/08 10:17 AM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
what are they?

I first heard this roughly half a century ago on an episode of I Love Lucy where the words were swell and lousy. I'm sure it's recorded somewhere in the Mahabharata, if not the Rig Veda.


And if not there then Aristotle said it for sure!

Nothing new under the sun. From time immemorial the words of 'young people these days' have got up the noses of their parents.
Posted By: Faldage Re: jokes - 04/08/08 11:10 AM
Does anyone seriously believe that the language is so woefully deficient that the concept originally referred to as awesome cannot be expressed in English because the word has been devalued through overuse?
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: terrifically terrible - 04/08/08 11:42 AM
the language is so woefully deficient

How awesomely awful! Just look at what the words mole, set, and drive have done to the glove maker's son's vocabulary.

[Deleted extra to.]
Posted By: twosleepy Re: jokes - 04/08/08 11:52 AM
I do believe that original meanings can be almost completely lost to all but the likes of "us". One example is decimate. This word means, to nearly everyone speaking English, devastate or destroy. It's original meaning is the loss of every tenth, resulting in a 10% loss overall, a far cry from destruction. I agree that the concept can still be expressed, but probably not by using the original word, in many situations. Awesome has not tumbled nearly as far as decimate, however, mostly because the root word, awe is still widely recognized and used ("in awe") and retains the same general idea of its original meaning.
Posted By: The Pook Re: terrifically terrible - 04/08/08 12:27 PM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
the language is so woefully deficient

How awesomely awful! Just look at what the words mole, set, and drive have done to to the glove maker's son's vocabulary.


...elucidate for the uninitiated please...
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: jokes - 04/08/08 12:28 PM
 Originally Posted By: twosleepy
Awesome has not tumbled nearly as far as decimate, however, mostly because the root word, awe is still widely recognized and used ("in awe") and retains the same general idea of its original meaning.


shocking.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: terrifically terrible - 04/08/08 01:03 PM
elucidate for the uninitiated please

By glove maker's son I meant Shaksper. But not the Shakespeare of the Stratfordians, but the one of the Oxfordians. But I think my memory has been playing tricks on me, and the Oxfordians call him the malt merchant or the actor. Be that as it may. Anywho. I picked the words mole and set pretty much at random. They are words that have a whole bunch of meanings. Drive, I picked because a member of this board has it as his hobby horse of persiflage. On the whole, a weak but ambiguous post on my part. I'd delete it, but it's already drawn attention, and I am too weary to push the buttons to make it so ...
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/08/08 05:29 PM
 Originally Posted By: CRBW
When sales clerks or supermarket checkers ask me how I am, I generally say "vibrant," and sometimes also "radiant." They typically pay no notice, of course, even though these descriptors might seem out of character for a 70-year-old man. I've tried using "ebullient" too, which just brings blank stares. I have yet to try the military version, "e-f***in'-bullient," but I have my doubts if that would do any better.



LOL! I do enjoy a well-placed infix. Welcome, CRBW.
Posted By: The Pook Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 12:37 AM
 Originally Posted By: AnnaStrophic
 Originally Posted By: CRBW
I have yet to try the military version, "e-f***in'-bullient," but I have my doubts if that would do any better.

LOL! I do enjoy a well-placed infix. Welcome, CRBW.

There's a name for inserting an expletive between syllables of a word, but I forget what it is. No doubt zthingy will come up with it. The practice is very common in Aussie slang.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 12:42 AM
one (rhetorical) term is tmesis.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:11 AM
tmesis

Tmesis as a grammatical term refers to what are called separable prefixes in German grammar (link). It means literally 'cutting' and is cognate with entomos 'insect' (as in entomology, and which is a calque in Latin) and atom.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:33 AM
yes, and from the same link
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:44 AM
yes

Yes, I meant in addition to its use as a rhetorical term and a modern one.
Posted By: morphememedley Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 04:52 AM
A relative of mine, long deceased, would often answer the how-are-you question with “medinary.” Family members have guessed that he combined part of medium and part of ordinary on his own to form the word. I did a quick Google search for it. Among the results I found one and only one non-medical instance of medinary used in the same way, in a 1955 Earl Tucker editorial in the Thomasville (AL) Times. Here's part of the passage containing it:
 Quote:
During the day lots of people asked me how I was feeling and I said fine how are you feeling and they were feeling fine too. Now I’m pretty sure not one of the thirty or more who asked me really cared whether I was fine, poorly, medinary or had a splitting headache.

The theory that our relative coined the word I now doubt.
Posted By: Jackie Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:40 PM
Today's word has this as part of its etymology: [From Latin ... diminutive of pullus
(young of an animal) ...]

Is this why small chickens are called pullets?
Posted By: BranShea Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:51 PM
Young bulls bullets?
Pusillanimous, think you are going to use it, Jackie?
I think I'll just go on calling myself a coward.

Hey, wasn't there someone called Titus Pullus?
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 01:55 PM
pullets

Yes. Latin pullus is also cognate with foal, filly, few, and pauper from PIE *pau- 'few, little' (link).
Posted By: Buffalo Shrdlu Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 02:03 PM
 Originally Posted By: BranShea
Hey, wasn't there someone called Titus Pullus?


I think that was Biggus Dickus.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 02:19 PM
Titus Pullus

There was a pantomime character at the gladiator shows called Pullus Cornicen 'horn-blowing chicken little' (approximately). Not to be confused with Ursus Tibicen 'flautist bear' (link). (I believe there was a character named Titus Pullus in the HBO min-series Rome.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 02:40 PM
Yes, that's it. The HBO mini-series 'Rome'. Not quite a 'pullus'man though.

Your link, maybe it's my eight year old computer,shows fragments of gladiators , but I see not bear whatsoever.
Posted By: Jackie Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 04:26 PM
Pullus Cornicen Good heavens: a small Cornish hen! (Ack--forget the "small": that's what Cornish hens are!)
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: wally gherkin - 04/09/08 04:43 PM
a small Cornish hen!

Not to be mistaken for small cornichons.
Posted By: Myridon Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 04:47 PM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
I believe there was a character named Titus Pullus in the HBO min-series Rome.

Titus Pullo. This character and his friend Lucius Vorenus are actually mentioned in Caesar's "Commentarii de Bello Gallico" (the bane of Latin students everywhere - All Gaul is divided into three parts... AAAAGH!) though some liberties are taken as they are more rivals than friends. According to Wikipedia, his nomen is varies from manuscript to manuscript -"Pulfio, Puleio, Pullio, Pulcio or Pulcia".
Posted By: Maven Re: wally gherkin - 04/09/08 04:57 PM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
a small Cornish hen!

Not to be mistaken for small cornichons.


A confusion like that could create quite a pickle.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 05:04 PM
Titus Pullo.

Ah, thanks for that. I've only caught about a 30 minute chunk of Rome, but will probably watch it all some time in the future.
Posted By: morphememedley Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 05:35 PM
Aha, something just hit me! When tempted to call someone chicken rather than pusillanimous, I can remind myself that doing so might appear unbecomingly cocksure.
Posted By: Maven Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/09/08 07:12 PM
There's an idea to be bantied around, certainly. You wouldn't want anyone cackling at your word choice.
Posted By: The Pook Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 01:09 AM
 Originally Posted By: Maven
There's an idea to be bantied around, certainly. You wouldn't want anyone cackling at your word choice.


Oh puhlease, we're not going to get into a cheep discussion of chicken puns now are we? \:D
Posted By: olly Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 01:43 AM
Nothing quite so paltry.
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 02:25 AM
O, fowl below!
Posted By: Jackie Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 02:27 AM
"Fowl", I cry.
Posted By: The Pook Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 02:41 AM
 Originally Posted By: zmjezhd
O, fowl below!

 Originally Posted By: Jackie
"Fowl", I cry.


...was that a double hen-tendre? \:D

Sorry, I really shouldn't egg you on to crack any more yolks of that sort...
Posted By: twosleepy Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 11:38 AM
I quail at the prospect, however pheasant, of chicken in with my two cents, not being sure wattle you think of my free-ranging ideas, and hopefully not spurring on others to chook in theirs, if it will upset the pecking order... don't want to cock it up!
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 12:15 PM
 Originally Posted By: twosleepy
I quail at the prospect, however pheasant, of chicken in with my two cents, not being sure wattle you think of my free-ranging ideas, and hopefully not spurring on others to chook in theirs, if it will upset the pecking order... don't want to cock it up!


Pure poultry in motion.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 11:23 PM
Somebody please let me know when this pun storm is ended.
Posted By: The Pook Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/10/08 11:44 PM
 Originally Posted By: Faldage
Somebody please let me know when this pun storm is ended.


You mean when all the atrocious avian aphorisms have come home to roost? Sure.
Posted By: Faldage Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/11/08 10:04 AM
Well, maybe gone home to roost. I don't want them in my hen house.
Posted By: Jackie Re: Substitutes for "good" - 04/11/08 05:11 PM
 Originally Posted By: twosleepy
I quail at the prospect, however pheasant, of chicken in with my two cents, not being sure wattle you think of my free-ranging ideas, and hopefully not spurring on others to chook in theirs, if it will upset the pecking order... don't want to cock it up!

Ha! That was great!
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