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Posted By: hudat The world of theater - 07/02/07 10:16 PM
Deuteragonist in vaudeville was known as "Second Banana" - just beneath the "Top Banana".
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: The world of theater - 07/03/07 12:45 AM
Deuteragonist

Protagonist < Gk πρωταγωνιστης < πρωτος (prōtos) 'first' + αγωνιστης (āgōnistēs) 'actor'; deuteragonist < Gk δευτεραγωνιστης < δευτερος (deuteros) 'second'; tritagonist < Gk τριταγωνιστης < τριτος (tritos) 'third'. It is interesting that besides πρωτος (prōtos) 'first', there is a πρωτερος (prōteros) 'before, in front, earlier' , where the -eros suffix seems to be the same as that of the comparative. For the prV cf. L prae, pro, prīmus 'first', but also prīmārius (< *pris-mo-s), English has first with -st of the superlative (and German has erst with the first part being related to English ere, early + -st, zweite is a neologism from Luther replacing the earlier ander 'other' in OE ōšer 'second, other (of two)', cf. former and latter). (There are no *deutos or *triteros.) Where Latin has secundus ('following', cf. sequor), Greek has deuteros. English has first and third, but borrowed second from Latin via French, replacing other as above.
Posted By: dalehileman Re: The world of theater - 07/03/07 06:19 PM
hud, welcome! and thank you for that word

It gets 8 hits in OneLook, indicating that it's somewhat, if not very, obscure. It is unquestionably of Type 3

http://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.ph...true#Post165723

I can't think of a suitable Type-2 unless it's co-star. Remarkably, this term isn't found in thesaurus.com, which I have found lacking in many other respects. For what it's worth, however,

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/second%20banana
Posted By: tsuwm Re: The world of theater - 07/03/07 09:29 PM
>It gets 8 hits in OneLook, indicating that it's somewhat, if not very, obscure. It is unquestionably of Type 3

it's in AHD4 and MWCD, so it's not very.
Posted By: Zed Re: The world of theater - 07/03/07 11:46 PM
Second fiddle is a self explanatory phrase but where did the bananas come from??
PC welcome.
Posted By: tsuwm Re: top banana - 07/04/07 01:15 AM
So called from the presentation of a banana to the comedian who has the punch line in a three-man burlesque routine. - AHD

edit: thus, the second banana was often the straight man.
Posted By: Faldage Re: top banana - 07/04/07 10:45 AM
So the third banana was the one who starred?
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: top banana - 07/04/07 12:29 PM
Who's on first?
Posted By: of troy Re: top banana - 07/04/07 02:32 PM
dated, dated,
the new routine is:
Hoo is the Ambassador from china.

(SNL skit with GBW and Condi)
Posted By: zmjezhd Re: rim shot heard in the Catskills - 07/04/07 03:01 PM
dated, dated

We should all be so lucky to have dated a classic.
Posted By: Jackie Re: rim shot heard in the Catskills - 07/05/07 01:40 AM
What?
Posted By: olly Re: rim shot heard in the Catskills - 07/05/07 03:20 AM
We're all old enough to remember.
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