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Posted By: Dermman Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/07/07 05:46 PM
The mascot of Oglethorpe University in Atlanta is the stormy petrel. How they chose the mascot is quoted from their website:

"Oglethorpe University's mascot is the Stormy Petrel, affectionately called "Petey" by our students. It is said that the stormy petrel is the inspiration for Oglethorpe's motto: Nescit Cedere, translated as "He does not know how to give up."

Why a Stormy Petrel?

A stormy petrel is a seabird, commonly found on the Eastern seaboard, and known for flying low to the ocean to look for food. Dr. Thornwell Jacobs, Oglethorpe University's president from 1915-1943, chose the Stormy Petrel as the school's mascot. According to legend, James Oglethorpe was inspired by the courage of the small, gutsy bird as it dove in and out of the crashing ocean waves as he crossed the Atlantic Ocean in 1732."
Posted By: olly Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/08/07 02:26 AM
Another Sea bird of note was the Albatross

At length did cross an Albatross,
Thorough the fog it came ;
As if it had been a Christian soul,
We hailed it in God's name.


The Rime of the Ancient Mariner - Samuel Taylor Coleridge

The Albatross was seen as an omen of Good luck to some seafarers.
Woe betide anyone who dares shoot them with a crossbow.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/08/07 07:12 AM
Kibits:

[From Yiddish kibitsen, from German kiebitzen (to look on at cards),
from Kiebitz (busybody, literally pewit or lapwing, a shorebird with
a bad reputation as a meddler).]

Kibits, from Yiddish kibitzen and German Kiebitz, survived in out daily language as kissebissen, a word often heard when we were growing up and quarrelled about nothing worthwhile and were told not do so.

Pewit
n 1: small black-headed European gull [syn: laughing gull, blackcap,
pewit gull, Larus ridibundus]
2: large crested Old World plover having wattles and spurs
[syn: lapwing, green plover, peewit]
3: small olive-colored woodland flycatchers of eastern North
America [syn: pewee, peewee, peewit, wood pewee, Contopus
virens]We have a wetlands-bird called kievit.

Lapwings
are medium-sized wading birds belonging to the subfamily Vanellinae of the family Charadriidae, which also includes the plovers and dotterels. A lapwing can be thought of as a larger plover.

The definitions about the bird are not very clear, exept for that they refer to a little shore-side or wading bird. Many are classified under pewit or lapwing.
Posted By: GAC Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/19/07 05:48 PM
The term bird brain is particularly inappropriate. The idea that birds' brains are primitive was based on studies of their structure, which differs substantially from mammalian brains. More recent studies based on function show that bird brains are very efficient and process information in very different ways from ours. It seems clear that evolution wouldn't favor a big brained bird, nor would an inefficient brain permit navigating a woodlot at high speed. You can't survive 250 million years an be dull witted. When an if our species exists as long as the birds have then maybe we can "crow" about our intelligence.
Posted By: pennyless Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/19/07 09:43 PM
Other interesting terms associated with birds:

quail - to lose courage; become cowed or fearful.

grouse - to complain, typically with sustained grumbling.

hawk - (n) one who preys on his fellow men (as a swindler)
(v) to make an effort to raise phlegm from the throat; to clear the throat noisily.
(v) to advertise or peddle (goods) in the street by shouting.

snipe - to shoot from a hidden position at individuals of an enemy force.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/19/07 09:46 PM
Yes , I fully agree with you on this. We say "chicken brain" and I find that very inapproprite too. For I had three small sized chickens and found them very clever and reasonable.
(I don't know how many millions of years the chickens did, but that does not count in my opinion about them)
Posted By: themilum Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/19/07 10:46 PM
I see.

But let me see if I understand...

You said that you found chickens to be "reasonable".

Do you find bugs "reasonable"? How about fish? Are they reasonable? How about themilum? Do you find me reasonable?

I find you sometimes reasonable, so come BranShea, about chickens and bugs and fish, let us reason together, viz. they all have brains the size of a BB.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/21/07 06:46 AM
Reason. Hmm? Tell me first then, please, what does BB stand for?
Bumble Bee ? Brigitte Bardot?

Oh!!!! I found it! Now you are in for big trouble. Talking about my chickens in association with THIS:

Main Entry: 1BB
Pronunciation: 'bE-(")bE
Function: noun
1 : a shot pellet 0.18 inch in diameter for use in a shotgun cartridge
2 : a shot pellet 0.175 inch in diameter for use in an air gun


I'm afraid I'll have to erase you from your own little list of "reasonable"now. I hate to do this, but
Oh , well they were just chickens. And they had little brains
enough to know that they had a good chicken life and become very old. (there's few chickens who can tell that story)
Posted By: Aramis Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/22/07 08:14 PM
Well, nothing to add really, other than an uncanny urge to make a cameo in this thread [?].
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: Bird-derived words and phrases - 05/22/07 09:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Aramis
Well, nothing to add really, other than an uncanny need to make a cameo in this thread [?].


Foreign languages and dictionaries can lead to better , but also to misunderstanding. Cameo at first came out of the search as :carving or scratching. Only later I found cameo in the meaning of gem, precious stone with relief carving. Sorry , Aramis. One of the many little cultural shocks.
Posted By: BranShea Re: Bird-derived cameo - 05/23/07 07:44 AM
Though I must admit and post script that it is a beautiful bird cameo.
Posted By: Aramis Re: Bird-derived words and phrases *DELETED* - 05/23/07 05:36 PM
No, this was cameo as in a brief walk-on appearance in a movie. Is that usage rather obscure, gang?
Posted By: AnnaStrophic Re: cameo - 05/23/07 08:04 PM
Originally Posted By: Aramis
No, this was cameo as in a brief walk-on appearance in a movie. Is that usage rather obscure, gang?


Not to native speakers, probably. Note BranShea's provenance.
Posted By: Zed Re: cameo - 05/23/07 11:58 PM
but I can't hear that use of cameo without thinking of Hitchcock who always managed to appear somewhere in his film.
Posted By: Jackie Re: cameo - 05/24/07 02:10 PM
And M. Night Shyamalan.
Posted By: olly Re: cameo - 05/24/07 08:59 PM
Cameo cremes are some of my favourite Kiwi Bikkies

yummy
Posted By: Jackie Re: cameo - 05/25/07 02:59 PM
! Bikkies = biscuit! Here's what we (Edit: we in the States) know as Cameo cookies.
Posted By: Aramis Re: cameo - 05/25/07 06:56 PM
Exactly; that is the way I think of it. It was a very clever device, among many attributed to that genius.
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