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#51976 01/05/02 08:13 PM
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There is an article in our newspaper today that is apparently not accessible online. However, it is from the NY Times, so perhaps it can be found by going to their site. It is by David D. Kirkpatrick.

AnnaS., I thought this would be of special interest to you: author Stephen Ambrose has been accused of plagiarism in his new book, "The Wild Blue", by "The Weekly Standard" columnist Fred Barnes, and by historian Thomas Childers, whose work it is that is alleged to have been plagiarized.

Mr. Childers is said to believe that Mr. Ambrose did not do this deliberately, because he did it "Mit dem linken Hand", which means with his left hand. Mr. Childers said this saying is the equivalent of not focusing on what he was doing; that he was focusing on something else.

I have heard the expression of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing, or vice versa, but have always interpreted that to mean that there has been a lack of communication. Has anyone heard or used the "did it with his left hand" thing to indicate that someone was distracted, as the article says? Are the two sayings related somehow?


#51977 01/05/02 08:50 PM
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Jackie,

Thanks!

I usually only buy the NYT on Sunday, and seldom visit the web site so I would've probably missed this if you hadn't pointed it out.

I'll read it and come back later with a comment.

For those who *don't mind registering with the NYT on line, here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/05/national/05AMBR.html


#51978 01/05/02 11:54 PM
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Jackie, this phrase sounds familiar, and particularly in this context, but I can't recall why. I'll rummage around my library if I get a chance and see if I can find the reference.


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#51980 01/07/02 02:25 AM
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the ultimate, clinching, proof positive of devolution Max, I have very long arms, as is proven by hugging a certain Tasmanian who can be impish, and if you keep on making remarks like that, I may just slap you upside your head till you get some sense knocked into you...


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BBC last night had story Ambrose admitted two instances of plagiarism, and one of the victims seems to have accepted his explanation.


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one of the victims seems to have accepted his explanation.
I do not find that relevant. IMHO, any plagarism victimizes all of us, the misled public.

The author plagarized is not the sole victim or even the principal victim, and it is beyond his power to grant or withhold absolution.



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any plagarism victimizes all of us, the misled public

Oooh, ooh, ooooh! Class action suit! I smell money! How much can we expect to get out of this, counselor?


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>...or even the principal victim.

really?! the author, at the least, had his intellectual property stolen. I, as reader, am more enamored of ideas I read than I am of their ultimate (or proximate) source.


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tsuwm, you might as well say that an prospective employee who pads his resume with phony credentials does not victimize the employer.

The plagiarist, dressing himself in stolen finery, seduces you to an undue respect for his own shabby words and ideas. He deceives you to attain your respect, for if you think him wise (not realizing that his wise words are stolen words) you will be misled in your assessment of the remainder of his writing.


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