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#156800 03/06/06 04:26 PM
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Anybody know how or why clerk came to be pronounced 'clark' in UK and other regions?
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Welcome, pgblu. Those wild n crazy folks also say "darby" for derby. Maybe it is an older pronunciation? We'll have to wait for one of our Middle English experts to weigh in.

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> Middle English experts

or maybe even one of our really good ones...

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From Bartleby.com:

Cleric, clerk, and clark all come from Latin clericus, “a man in a religious order, a man in holy orders.” Cleric appears in Old English about 975 and lasts into the 13th century. Clerc appears in late Old English, around 1129, and was identical in spelling and pronunciation with Old French clerc, “belonging to the (Christian) clergy.” In the Middle Ages the clergy were the only literate class and were often employed as scribes, secretaries, or notaries. By about 1200 clerc had acquired the meaning “pupil, scholar,” as we see in Chaucer's “clerk of Oxenford” in The Canterbury Tales (around 1386). Clerks were also of necessity employed in keeping accounts and recording business transactions; this is the source of the modern sense of clerk. By the early 17th century, the word clerk had become completely ambiguous; it could refer equally to a clergyman or to an accountant. For this reason cleric (spelled Clericke and with its modern pronunciation) was introduced or reintroduced from Latin or Greek as both a noun and an adjective to refer specifically to a member of the clergy. The pronunciation (klärk), spelled clark and clerk, arose in the south of England during the 15th century and is today the Received Pronunciation of clerk in the United Kingdom. The modern American pronunciation (klûrk) more closely represents the older pronunciation. The pronunciation (klärk) is used in the United States only in the proper name Clark. The south England sound change responsible for the pronunciation (klärk) also gave rise to parson (beside person), varsity (beside university), and even varmint (beside vermin).

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Wow! Thanks. I had no idea as to the origin of these three very ordinary words. Isn't it odd you don't think too much about the words you use every day and will rush to the dictionary for a looksee at a word that is not part of your usual vocabulary?


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