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#30732 - 06/01/01 12:35 AM colluctation - the results are in
tsuwm Offline
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here are the votes cast for each definition submitted; in the interests of full-disclosure I have included the disqualified submittals. the True Meaning was wrestling or struggling together; strife, conflict, opposition [verbatim from the OED], which made a big comeback in the voting after trailing the early favorites e) and i) -- nice work Bingley and Flatlander! of the players, Fiberbabe and Geoff(?) got it right and additionally, voters jazzo, flatlander and rapunzel also were correct.

votes
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0 a) used to describe Anglican doctrinal debates...
* b) a wrestling match
1 c) a subcutaneous deposit of collagen
* d) cooperating with someone else in a struggle
4 e) the best possible combination of theatrical lights...
@ f) the staining which occurs on ... clerical collars
4+ g) wrestling or struggling together; strife, etc.
0 h) a group of small sea creatures
4 i) the act of combining dissimilar metals into an alloy
1 j) mourning together; mutual sorrow
1 k) the eruption of archetypes into personal consciousness...
0 l) the act of square-dance calling

*disqualified
@dishonorable mention
+Geoff's questionable vote

I'll try and staighten out the scoring tomorrow, and I'll be posting the definitions for Round 2 as well.

btw, I think I've settled on hogwash™ as the permanent name. (unless I decide to go with bodewash® 8)



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#30733 - 06/01/01 06:55 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
maverick Offline
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Can we be allowed a minimal sentence of exposition for a definition? This certainly increases the enjoyment and confusion in the UK tv version mentioned elsewhere. And/or a quick resumé of reasons for choosing? (not that *anyone LIU, of course)


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#30734 - 06/01/01 07:20 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
Flatlander Offline
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Well, my definition (combining metals) obviously went with the "co- = together" premise that many of the definitions followed. Then I was just casting about for a combination process that I didn't know the proper word for, and for some reason the concept of alloys just jumped up and bit me on the (all together now)...brass.


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#30735 - 06/01/01 07:24 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
Jackie Global Moderator Offline
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...jumped up and bit me on the (all together now)...brass.

Ow, Flatlander, that one gave me a distinct pain in the bra-
in.


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#30736 - 06/01/01 08:22 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
Geoff Offline
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+Geoff's questionable vote

Being very easily confused, I need some help understanding why my vote was questionable. Do your rules not allow someone whose submitted definition is close to correct to vote? Is that the crux of it?



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#30737 - 06/01/01 09:30 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
tsuwm Offline
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hmmm... let me answer your question with a question, Geoff (there's a word for this that escapes me at the moment; but I digress). armed with the information that one had flirted¹ with the True Meaning, for which definition would a reasonable person have voted? then, having answered that to your own satisfaction, ask yourself how much credit you'd give a person for voting correctly?

as I said, I consulted the A&C Gaming Rules, and the Scoring Annex being sufficiently vague, I have decided to award² you one half (½) [0.5] additional points. {now what'll I do when Dr. Bill complains about unequal treatment... wait, I know!}

¹for the voting public, here is Geoff's submission: It derives from the Latin "luctare," "to wrestle," hence a colluctation is a wrestling match.

²let me also just note (he fretted) that this "award" could just as easily have gone negative; but hey, I'm a charitable guy.

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#30738 - 06/01/01 09:44 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
tsuwm Offline
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mav meddles Can we be allowed a minimal sentence of exposition for a definition? This certainly increases the enjoyment and confusion in the UK tv version mentioned elsewhere. And/or a quick resumé of reasons for choosing? (not that *anyone LIU, of course)

good thought, mav. I, of course, did look it up and I thought that the Latin root was sufficiently abstruse so as to provide the desired obscurantism (which turns out to have been not quite the case). but wait'll you guys (no sexism intended) see the def'ns for round 2 -- I think they're really good (and there's definitely more)!

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#30739 - 06/01/01 09:49 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
maverick Offline
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Don't your scoring plans 4 & 5 come close to Geoff's close-guessing?

4. Three points are awarded to any player who submits a definition which is similar or very close to the correct
meaning.
5. If two or more players submit a definition per rule 4 (in the judgment of the moderator), the round will be thrown out with no points scored (or the moderator can disqualify obvious attempts to sabotage the game :-Þ )


OK, OK, so when do we get to see this wonderful new round?



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#30740 - 06/01/01 09:57 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
tsuwm Offline
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yes, mav, which is exactly what I pointed out in my original decision, awarding Geoff and Dr. Bill 1.5 points each (approx. half of 3) instead of throwing the round out as per rule 5. I can now see that the promulgators of rule 5 were a prescient lot.

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#30741 - 06/01/01 10:10 AM Re: colluctation - the results are in
maverick Offline
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I blinked - sorry, boss.

Would the problem be avoided if a 'close guess definition' were simply disqualified from scoring by gathering votes but not withdrawn from public debate? (The announcement who had so guessed could follow at scoring) This would limit the score of that contributor to 3 points under R4, and other guessers would have the additional distraction of a couple of very similar meanings without knowing either were correct.


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