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#176276 - 04/23/08 06:11 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: Aramis]
Faldage Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 11424	Originally Posted By: Aramis Welcome to the apologist crowd. It is usually the ignorant among the media that drives this sort of distortion. By all means, let's just count wrong and popular as correct. But there may need to be announcements on when the transitions occur, so we all know in each case. That's nice.
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#176277 - 04/23/08 09:58 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: Faldage]
The Pook The Pook addict Registered: 02/20/08 Posts: 471 Loc: Tasmania	Originally Posted By: Faldage Originally Posted By: Aramis Welcome to the apologist crowd. It is usually the ignorant among the media that drives this sort of distortion. By all means, let's just count wrong and popular as correct. But there may need to be announcements on when the transitions occur, so we all know in each case. That's nice. Yes I must be ignorant. I have no idea what you are accusing Fadage or me of being an apologist FOR? Last time I looked an apologist was a proponent of something. Seems to me the apologists are those arguing FOR the archaic obscure esoteric misunderstood linguistic status quo.
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#176278 - 04/23/08 10:08 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: etaoin]
The Pook The Pook addict Registered: 02/20/08 Posts: 471 Loc: Tasmania	Originally Posted By: etaoin Originally Posted By: BranShea (surprised to find that bag is really a verbe). Don't remember having it ever seen used as such. can I bag your groceries? or we could go out and bag some game? :¬ ) It is a verb in Australian everyday usage. From Collins Compact Australian Dictionary: "bag vb 14. Austral slang to criticize" To bag someone or "bag them out" is to tease or provoke them with insults, often in a jocular way amongst friends, but sometimes in what amounts to bullying. I suspect it probably comes from Cockney slang. It also occurs as a participle, bagging/bagging out. A similar trem, "sledging" is often used in cricket and other sports of disparaging or rude comments made to your opponents to put them off their game.
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#176288 - 04/24/08 06:03 AM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: The Pook]
Faldage Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 11424	Originally Posted By: The Pook A similar trem, "sledging" is often used in cricket and other sports of disparaging or rude comments made to your opponents to put them off their game. USn version would be 'trash talk.'
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#176435 - 04/27/08 06:58 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: Faldage]
GallantTed GallantTed enthusiast Registered: 11/07/01 Posts: 267 Loc: Ireland	Originally Posted By: Faldage The logical fallacy, also known as petitio principii, (for which 'begging the question is a lousy translation IMNSHO), is the fallacy of assuming your conclusion in one of the premises. Howya Faldage Lissen, what is the exact location a the premises ta what yer referren? And which of the premises is the conclusion in? Cos I'm positive I left me conclusion in some premise somewhere and if I could only find it, I'd have the answer ta alla the Grate Questions posed here. Plus I'd get me wallet back ta boot. Be seein ya GallantTed Edited by GallantTed (04/27/08 06:59 PM)
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#176438 - 04/27/08 09:44 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: GallantTed]
Faldage Faldage Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/01/00 Posts: 11424	The first premise, also known as the major premise, is usually kept in the top drawer behind the bar. The second premise, also know as the minor premise, isn't allowed in the bar, being too young, so you'll generally find it in the second drawer of the teacher's desk at the primary school. If it isn't there ask the teacher, she may have mislaid it or perhaps she has it at home for grading purposes. The conclusion is usually found in the major premise, so I'd check there first, and, while you're there have one on me. Just tell the barkeep to put it on my tab. Sometimes, though, it's in the minor premise and the teacher isn't so free with these things so you might have to do some sweet-talking, but I know that won't be a problem for you. Good hunting and good luck. Oh, and whatever you do, if it's in the minor premise don't beg. She'll just see it as a sign of weakness and all your sweet-talking won't do you a bit of good. Edited by Faldage (04/27/08 09:46 PM)
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#176439 - 04/27/08 09:50 PM Re: Begging the question of logical fallacies [Re: Faldage]
The Pook The Pook addict Registered: 02/20/08 Posts: 471 Loc: Tasmania	$\:D$ nice post faldy, very funny. Sometimes a premise precedes much (mental) suffering, as the word may imply with some pseudo-etymology applied to it.
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