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#186989 - 09/28/09 09:00 AM cuneiform lawsuit
BranShea Offline
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This might be interesting for those who love the very beginnings of written language. No fancy- or worthless words. Mostly accounting. Yet the tablets are capable of adressing one's imagination and as objects they are beautiful.

research project

link

I read about it in the newspaper recently as one of the members in the research and digitalizing team is a compatriot.

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#186991 - 09/28/09 10:02 AM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
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Interesting. I hope the university gets to keep them. It would be a shame if they were dispersed or worse. As part of an archeology class, i once got to handle a clay tablet (in Babylonian). It was quite beautiful as an object and deceptively heavy. They are like bricks.

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#186993 - 09/28/09 02:14 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: zmjezhd]
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Enviable. smile Last year I admired a lot of them (behind glass) but I never could hold one my hand. (Hmm, for some reason the law suit-link doesn't work any more. It did when I made the post.)
I kept the article and I wish I could translate it, but it's very long. Anyway, in the worst case this specialist in the Elamite language has still half a year to do his research and photographic preservation work. link
The sad thing; their money value is not really very high, so if they would get separated and dispersed it would be such a waste.
As much as I would like to have one, I would not buy one, but rather see them kept together. Shame.

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#186995 - 09/28/09 02:46 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
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Another sad thing in when artifacts like these are deliberately destroyed as were the large Buddhist statues in Afghanistan. I know next to nothing about Elamite other than its name and importance in ANE studies. From your Wikipedia article i learned a new linguistics term, Suffixaufnahme. Thanks.

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#186997 - 09/28/09 03:00 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: zmjezhd]
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laugh You mention a word from the only two lines in that article I don't understand one bit of.

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#187011 - 09/29/09 12:41 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
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I found half an impression stone from a ring, a "bulla" I believe
they call it, in Israel one time. Turned it over to the
authorities. Quite a find for me. Exciting.

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#187012 - 09/29/09 02:00 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: LukeJavan8]
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Is this what you are talking about?
LINK
Did you take at least a picture? Well, you're good. If I would have found a heap of then I would have turned them over to the authorities. If just one, I'm sure I would have smuggled it home.

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#187023 - 09/29/09 10:33 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
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shocked Branny, I am shocked! Shocked, I say!

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#187032 - 09/30/09 07:58 AM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: Jackie]
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Ha! laugh this exuberant smiley is for you!
So far it looks like it was a Roman object. So who would it belong to after all those ages? The 'honest' finder?

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#187112 - 10/05/09 12:57 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Is this what you are talking about?
LINK
Did you take at least a picture? Well, you're good. If I would have found a heap of then I would have turned them over to the authorities. If just one, I'm sure I would have smuggled it home.


Sorry I did not see your reply.
It was just one. I might have smuggled it home, but did not feel right about it somewhow.

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#187113 - 10/05/09 12:59 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
LukeJavan8 Offline
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Ha! laugh this exuberant smiley is for you!
So far it looks like it was a Roman object. So who would it belong to after all those ages? The 'honest' finder?


They said it looked to by Hyksos> the people also known as
the Shepherd Kings, who were a dynasty in Egypt for a long
time, finally driven out by Ahmose (about 1100 BCE, I believe,
without checking out the history.)

My guess was that it belonged to the state of Israel. A museum
authority concurred.


Edited by LukeJavan8 (10/05/09 01:03 PM)

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#187114 - 10/05/09 01:00 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
LukeJavan8 Offline
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Originally Posted By: BranShea
Is this what you are talking about?
LINK
Did you take at least a picture? Well, you're good. If I would have found a heap of then I would have turned them over to the authorities. If just one, I'm sure I would have smuggled it home.


Yes, I took a picture and would post if I knew how. As you remember I cannot get my pictures on this site.But it was like the ones you put in the Link: smallish, like a ring stone, and white in color.


Edited by LukeJavan8 (10/05/09 01:02 PM)

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#187119 - 10/05/09 05:32 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: LukeJavan8]
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ring stone 
–noun a voussoir appearing on a face of an arch.
voussoir???? Eh?

What's a ring stone?

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#187138 - 10/06/09 01:23 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: BranShea]
LukeJavan8 Offline
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Sorry, perhaps not good term: Stone found in a ring. Like that
used by nobles, bishops, and the like: The stone would be
pressed into warm wax to make a sealing on some document, letter,
etc.

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#187139 - 10/06/09 01:24 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: LukeJavan8]
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The stone itself was shaped roughly like a scarab: and the
reverse side had some symbols, ancient writing of some sort, I
presume.

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#187142 - 10/06/09 02:51 PM Re: cuneiform lawsuit [Re: LukeJavan8]
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Something like this then, I guess.

Hebrew bullae

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