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#183710 - 03/19/09 01:13 PM schwerpunkt
Carpal Tunnel
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I would give this one back if I were you. Isn't there an English equivalent for it? Something with gravity or so?
I've listenened to the pronunciation and it is nowhere near it.
Shjwayr-poonkt would come much closer.
And when you look at the way it is used I think you wouldn't miss it.:
Context:"In the only arty shot, the Dalai Lama, seen in silhouette, sits at the schwerpunkt of a Mondrian-like composition."
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#183713 - 03/19/09 03:11 PM
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#183717 - 03/19/09 03:35 PM
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Loc: Netherlands, the Hague∴ ∴ ∴ ∴ lots of little schwerpunkts
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#183755 - 03/21/09 03:33 AM
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#183756 - 03/21/09 03:37 AM
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I've listenened to the pronunciation and it is nowhere near it.
Shjwayr-poonkt would come much closer.
Closer to what? If it is a loanword do the English speakers have to pronounce it the German way?
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#183759 - 03/21/09 05:16 AM
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---Suggested by Latishya:Could be worth a discussion.Quote:It can be applied to any loanword used in any language - should the speakers of the language that borrowed the word try to mimic the pronunciation it had in the original?
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#183768 - 03/21/09 09:40 AM 
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You'll have to ask the Germans who coined the word Lehnwort, and the English person who calqued (loan translation, Lehnübersetzung) it as loanword. It's funny that the other kind of word, Erbwort 'inheritance word', was not calqued. What's even funnier is that German Lehn (Latin feudum, feodum, beneficium) doesn't really mean 'loan', it's 'fief'. A Lehnsmann is a vassal.
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#183774 - 03/21/09 10:49 AM
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[Addendum: Fixed the glyph. Whatever happened to the ability to use Unicode on this site?]
Edited by zmjezhd (03/21/09 10:51 AM)
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#183775 - 03/21/09 12:38 PM
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Is there a specific difference between a Lehnwort and an Erbwort?
Or does it mix and mingle a bit? To my ears the word 'fief ' is always such a funny word.
( the child with the missing front theeth trying to say 'thief ' ? )
Oh, but how about the domestication of the pronunciation of a loanword? (in general and in particular?)
(reminds me of the man who was trying to find the meaning of a Germany originated
word some time ago, but he did not remeber the pronunciation well and the word remained mystery)
looks like a little pyramid to me ∴
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#183777 - 03/21/09 01:18 PM
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it seems to have (unhappily) got lost in one of the updates. someone should mention that in Anu's update thread!!_________________________
joe friday
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#183786 - 03/21/09 02:57 PM
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Yes. Erbwörter are the ones English got from Old (via Middle) English. Lehnwörter are the ones English got from French, Dutch, Yiddish, Greek, Latin, etc.
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#183787 - 03/21/09 02:58 PM
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thanks for that ron o. I see you did it. (I, myself, didn't think that Anu read any threads on this site.)
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#183790 - 03/21/09 03:25 PM
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{just the one, I surmise.}
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#183842 - 03/23/09 05:47 PM
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Anu read one of mine and wrote me about it in a PM.
And he quoted it and another in another weekly newsletter.
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#183852 - 03/24/09 04:01 AM
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tsuwm: If Anu does not read threads someone in his surrounding does, proved by occasional pickings from the board.
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#183860 - 03/24/09 10:35 AM
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I'm only going by 'wordsmith' posts, as I generally don't see the emails.
-joe (did anyone here get contest recognition?) friday
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#183866 - 03/24/09 04:13 PM
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mathematicaster = not a good counter
lepidopterology = little flutterby
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#183874 - 03/24/09 05:55 PM
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(I was lost in scrabbling )
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#183879 - 03/24/09 06:41 PM
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(my others were even worse)
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#183904 - 03/25/09 03:19 PM
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#183920 - 03/25/09 07:45 PM
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(my others were even worse)
Might it be an adder that cannot fish; or an adder that will not strike? But, then you have another portmanteau -- is that right? Can a portmanteau be a word with two utterly different meanings?
Edited by PastorVon (03/25/09 07:46 PM)
Edit Reason: word left out
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#183924 - 03/25/09 10:47 PM
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but those wouldn't qualify, now would they. (15-letter def'ns for 15-letter words)
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